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Blog Entry 180 of 219 The Subversive Liberal
"If by a "liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "liberal." – President John F. Kennedy...................... Some people find me and that sentiment subversive. I'm here to set the record straight and offer the real typical liberal point of view. Some call it subversive, I call it patriotic.

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David Brown and others....

Article Contributed on: 7/28/2008 10:35:49 AM

To David and other rightes who are interested. If you want to debate the issues, just send me an email and I'll gladly do it. Mr. Brown has taken a couple of shots with typical right wing paranoia, apparently he's been taught that liberals want the goverment to control everything and we're emotional and not factual. I disagree and would love nothing more than to correct some of these common and inaccurate assumptions that come from the right. I may get emotional from time to time, but it's because I know the facts. Anyone that's spent time reading my posts would know these assumptions are flat out false. They are excuses to justify the irrational opinions the right has. Like Mike Rosen who believes liberals must have a mental disorder because we're sooooooo irrational. One thing I can't stand is being told what I think and how I came to those conclusions, so some blow hard coward like Rosen can get his idot audience something to be mad about. Oh, if they only knew how absolutely foolish they look to more reasonable people. So come on David, come on anyone on the right, I challenge you to a duel of intellect. What are you afraid of? Discovering something that just might blow your preconceptions. I can't blame righties. They are fed a constant stream of BS from their talk show hosts and pundits who are too afraid to actually debate the issues. It's easy to say the other guy is an idiot when they don't offer a forum.

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Bing Van Gorden wrote on 7/29/2008 @ 5:03:40 PM

Mick, someone has to do color commentary and blow by blow analysis. ;^}
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Michael Rule wrote on 7/29/2008 @ 5:00:44 PM

A body punch! ( I need a life)
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Bing Van Gorden wrote on 7/29/2008 @ 10:05:28 AM

Part 3 for David, re:paranoid shots you've taken. I pointed out one of them, that liberals want gvmnt to control everything. Another would be that we are too timid to admit that. The reality is, we don't want gvmnt to control eveything so there is no need to admit it. I am guessing you don't believe me. When a flesh and blood liberal tells you that's no tthe case and you still cling to the myth you've been told by your pals like Rosen, that's a classic example of paranoia. It's insinuating that liberals have a hidden agenda with sinister intent. That's pure B.S.
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Bing Van Gorden wrote on 7/29/2008 @ 9:54:59 AM

2nd David, Hate sites like HuffPo and Kos, a laughable suggestion. Provide one example of hate from either site. I have little desire to insult you but I will give it right back to you. You make a lot of assumptions and like to lump people into t "us" and "them." if you spend a little time reading these boards you'll see the left is a large group that rarely agrees on everything. I applaud your iterest in debate and I think you will find some of your assumptions are innaccurate and that we probably agree on many issues.
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Bing Van Gorden wrote on 7/29/2008 @ 9:48:04 AM

1st, David, you made empty charges I responded to them. I find it amazing that you knew my emotional state when I wrote this post. I still don't follow your logic on how "we" will lose an argument about oil. If gas prices are high, I think you have a tougher row to hoe, regardless, I'll wipe the floor with you.
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Michael Rule wrote on 7/29/2008 @ 7:01:46 AM

And it's a right from the left, a left from the right, both fighters are down! Holy crappiola! This should be good!
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David Brown wrote on 7/28/2008 @ 6:00:58 PM

(Part II of II) You challenged me so I’m sure you have something in mind right? PS. I’m new and kind of think this might be fun so I’m working on establishing a blog so you’ll have ample chance to insult me with my forthcoming posts, which I'm sure you'll take full advantage of. It wouldn’t be fair for me to take pot shots at you guys (and there are more of you in this forum than there are of us because most of us think this is a waste of time). If you want to just have an ongoing debate – that would be fine with me too but just know that I might need a week for my first post. Or we can start right now – name the “paranoid” shots I took at you or Dosser. C’mon there Bing! I’m happy to explain what I meant...
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David Brown wrote on 7/28/2008 @ 6:00:33 PM

(Part I or II) Settle down there Bing!! Here’s what's funny. You just spent 258 words freaking out, trying to make the claim you’re rational!! Excuse me, I find that almost as hilarious as thinking you guys are going to win on the oil issue this fall with gas at $4/gal. If you want to debate me I’m ready, not that it will be productive. And do expect me to “regurgitate” stuff THAT I AGREE WITH from my favorite talk shows along with my own beliefs you don’t hear on those shows just like you’ll be regurgitating things you agree with from the hate sites (Huffington Post & Daily Kos). And I will cream you!! What format, forum (whatever) would you like – it should be something we can exchange HERE IN THIS FORUM.
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Bing Van Gorden wrote on 7/28/2008 @ 12:26:42 PM

Thanks Ralph. I tend to agree with you. It doesn't take long before they are merely parroting falsehoods gleaned from right wing pundits and hosts. This insistence that liberals hide their ture intent is such an obvious ruse, I feel sad for the folks who actually accept that we're trying to fool them. Logic and reason would dictate, this kind of thinking allows their favorite hosts to make up the most outrageous claims. Like we hate America.
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Ralph Dosser wrote on 7/28/2008 @ 12:17:32 PM

While I applaud your intent, it's not really possible to debate most modern conservatives. Any real debate needs SOME kind of common ground as a starting point, but these people essentially reject reality. What's more, their idea of debate usually is just regurgitation of talking points. You might as well debate an iPod full of Limbaugh sound bites, set on "shuffle."
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