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Socionomics suggests Obama Win
Contributed by: David Brown on 10/4/2008

"Socionomics is the study of social mood and its results in social actions. It studies how waves of endogenously regulated social mood in turn regulate changes in the economy, political preferences, financial markets, pop culture, etc."

I made a chart of the Dow that covers the last 100 years or so and marked where each President served. I also marked where each President that was popular was re-elected and also where each President who was not popular was not re-elected. If you click on the chart on the right, you can barely see the chart I made. It gets better if you put on your readers. It's a lot bigger than this so if you want to see it a little better, send me an email and I'll send it to you. (Or perhaps someone can suggest a public domain where I can upload the file so we can all see it properly.)


Consider the four popular Presidents of the last century: Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Reagan and Clinton. Each was re-elected when the stock market was either topping or rallying, with the single exception of Roosevelt's 2nd re-election in 1940.


Were the leaders of these boom times necessarily good leaders or did the economic success of those periods make these Presidents seem like competent leaders.

Now consider the four most unpopular Presidents of the last century: Hoover, Johnson, Nixon and Carter. Hoover was ousted at the nadir of the worst economic crisis in the history of this country. Johnson never ran for re-election, possibly seeing that he wouldn't have been re-elected. Nixon was caught in the troubled economy of the '70s which led to his successor's defeat in 1976 and Carter was ousted after 4 years when interest rates hit 21% and unemployment was over 10%. Even George H.W. Bush was ousted after 4 years after the historically mild recession in 1991.


Were the leaders of these troubled times necessarily ineffective leaders or did the economic distress of those periods make these Presidents seem like incompetent Presidents?

Roosevelt's presidency is complicated but history judges all of these Presidents on the success/failure of their respective economies but perhaps a more careful and responsible study is warranted. Think about it - Presidents Reagan and Clinton could do no wrong and President Carter it seemed, couldn't do anything right. But really, were Reagan and Clinton extraordinary Presidents and Carter really a bumbling fool, or was there something else happening within the human psyche for which we weren't really aware?

The prevailing thought is that rising stock markets portend an ebullient social mood. However, Socionomics postulates the reverse: a falling social mood translates into falling markets and deteriorating social events.

We have never really accepted George Bush as our President. It seems his two victories were a selection of "the lesser of two evils." We have been divided as a country for most of the last 10 years and now we have an economic crisis that reflects that division. It is an economic condition that suggests a "throw the bums out" result for a Republican administration. Of course anything can happen between now and November 4th, but the prevailing social mood favors the challenger, Barrack Obama.


If our social mood doesn't improve in the next four years, then that too will forecast an Obama defeat in 2012. And if I'm right about the size of this crisis, it will be a tough 4 years for Obama.


The good news for Republicans is that with the size of this crisis, 2010 should be a "throw the bums out" congressional and gubernatorial event, since this economy will likely not improve by then. The bad news for Republicans is that two years is plenty of time to reshape this nation in the image of social Democrats. But rest assured, anything the government tries in order to deal with the economy will be doomed to failure, as it always is. For it isn't the effect of government programs that deems it to be a success or failure, it's how we feel about those effects that determines its success or failure, and we aren't feeling very well about much of anything these days.


History's Hidden Engine
is a very good primer on the study of measurable social mood.



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Socionomics doesn't really"predict" anything so I changed the title from "Socionomics Predicts Obama Win"



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Submitted By: Bing Van Gorden
posted on 10/7/2008 @ 12:50:55 PM
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How refreshing we can mostly agree when we so often are at each others throats. Thanks for another non-partisan and thoughtful post.
Submitted By: Richard Yale
posted on 10/6/2008 @ 11:00:25 PM
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David,since no matter who wins, under either one Congress will be spending our money on its cronies and lovers, there isn't much we can do about it. Therefore, Veni, Vidi, Visa might be the most appropriate - I Came, I shopped.
Submitted By: Richard Yale
posted on 10/6/2008 @ 10:53:52 PM
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The failed public policy mandated by Congress of lending money to people who can’t pay for it sits on a three legged stool. Mr. Dossier’s stool only has two legs, GOP & Wall Street. Mum on Obama’s Community Organizer role in ACORN intimidating banks into making loans to customers they knew can’t pay for them. There is plenty of blame to go around including the parts of the third leg. Senator Dodd’s personal loans from Countrywide at low ‘courtesy rates while he chaired the Senate Committee overseeing Fannie Mae and blocked the Bush Administration’s call to curb in the Fannie & Freddie’s leverage ratios of 80 to 1. The other part of the leg being Rep. Barney Frank, House Financial Services Committee Chair who promoted GSEs while his former 'spouse' was a Fannie Mae’s assistant director for product initiatives at the time the House Chairman was at the forefront of relaxing lending restrictions, according to the Feb. 23, 1998, issue of National Mortgage News (NMN).
Submitted By: Ralph Dosser
posted on 10/6/2008 @ 7:52:53 PM
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I can't say I agree. FDR came into office after an economic collapse, and he and the movement he spearheaded dominated Washington for a generation. If Obama can harness the current popular disgust with the powers that be (the GOP and its Wall Street allies), he could create a similar movement that could roll back decades of conservative efforts to restore laissez-faire capitalism. Here's hoping.
Submitted By: Chris Rodriguez
posted on 10/6/2008 @ 7:43:15 PM
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Like I said before, your "Whoever wins, loses" phrase is one of the best I've heard all season. Short, direct, to the point, and probably correct. I think it's a dangerous game for Obama to play, this "on Bush's watch" game will cut both ways if he wins. But I think Hillary is done, as would Obama if he were to lose - as far as presidential future hopes. For either to spend and collect that kind of money and fail, why would anyone want to repeat that? The Dems would find someone else, or else Gore or Kerry would've run again. I think the days of multiple presidential losses by one candidate are over.
Submitted By: David Brown
posted on 10/5/2008 @ 9:34:34 PM
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I saw an old neighbor at Checker a few weeks ago and she told me that her husband was saying "a vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary in 2012." I hesitate to repeat that because I'm not sure if folks realize how true that is. If we somehow eke out a win next month, it will be the Republican Party the American people take it (what's coming) out on. And vice versa. Whoever wins, loses. Is there a Latin phrase that goes something like that? Because I think that would be more appropriate.
Submitted By: David Brown
posted on 10/5/2008 @ 9:27:00 PM
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You guys are struggling with the very thing I struggled with: what about the causation of external events regarding the current social mood trend? The answer lies in the strength of the prevailing social mood. For example, what if the McCain camp succeeded in convincing the voting world about Obama's involvement in ACORN and the current subprime mess? Well, I don't think that would matter because the prevailing social mood is so strong, strong enough to force a downward spiral in the financial markets that even something like that is going to make little difference. If on the other hand, something comes out about maybe some secret life that Obama led where he was a drug kingpin, you get the idea, then MAYBE that could have an effect. The point is that while it’s possible the current trend could be altered, if only temporarily, McCain has to come up with something really big in order to overcome it.
Submitted By: David Brown
posted on 10/5/2008 @ 9:26:09 PM
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Richard I think this is all great (and true) as far as it goes. But you're essentially taking a segment of the world and comparing it to the entire world. When the herd is moving slowly, it's easier to alter its course. But when the herd is stampeding, the only things that will stop it is either exhaustion or a cliff. Now, sure we're not stampeding yet, but we are way too close for comfort. (The wolves are circling...) I'm not giving up - I still intend to do my part like a good little (Republican) boy. My point here is to explain (or at least try to) what we're in store for and the election is involved neck deep in the middle of it. I want people to watch History's Hidden Engine because for me, it will suck watching everyone's 401k vaporize.
Submitted By: Ralph Dosser
posted on 10/5/2008 @ 8:52:06 PM
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I don't want to hijack the subject (so this is all I'll say on the matter), but I find it offensive to read McCain or Petraeus compared to Patton, Old Blood and Guts was a soldier, not a politician.
Submitted By: Richard Yale
posted on 10/5/2008 @ 7:20:11 PM
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Dave, the meaning of the Latin phrase “Qui audet adipiscitur” does have several meanings. To me its significance I believe is the same as the great Roman Centurions such as Marcus Cicero, “who dares wins”. There is more to it than a military motto. Our military academy graduates are modeled off the Roman Centurions and the phrase describes an attitude, a way of thinking and reacting that is adapt and overcome adversary which is why General David Petraus and Senator McCain were way ahead of everyone on the Surge Strategy and necessity of its application in Iran and Obama still does not have a clue what happened to shift the gravity of the situation in Iran. General McClellan, Civil war General & presidential candidate to President Lincoln in 1864 is the archetypical Democrat Party loser who puts Party first in War and in politics who was an anti thesis “Qui audet adipiscitur” thinker, though a West Point grad he sold his career for 30 pieces of Democrat Party silver to maintain slavery.
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